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Last week, we teased about the upcoming development at the vast lot on the southeast corner of 17th and Carpenter Sts., promising an update after the SOSNA meeting. We go to lots of community meetings all over town and there’s a pretty regular pattern to presentations for large projects like this one. Developer presents, community grills, developer sweats, architect swoops in, community grills, lawyer interjects, near neighbors shout, police arrive, riot ensues, etc etc etc. While last night was only an informational session and the developers won’t actually be seeking community support for variances for several months, it was easily one of the most pleasant presentations we’ve ever experienced.

Current view of the site

Gushing Zoning Committee members. Stoked neighbors. Other developers heaping praise on the project. A couple of jokes. A typically unsatisfied neighbor who seemed genuinely surprised that she couldn’t come up with any problems with the project. Multiple rounds of applause. You’d have thought Tria was up there presenting.

In reality, the presentation came from Brian Johnston and Christopher Stromberg, local architects who designed the project, as well as Mark Scott and the Goldenberg Group, who are partnering to develop the parcel. Stromberg, Scott, and project realtor Michelle Ashley are all neighborhood residents. You could argue that the group had an advantage in the room because most of them are well-known members of the community, but we feel that the high quality of the product they’re proposing was the real source of the goodwill in the room.

Okay, enough exposition.

Carpenter Square will feature 11 town homes, a mixed-use building on the corner with an L-shaped commercial space below six condos, and a courtyard in front of the commercial space that’s open to the community. The town homes will each have two-car parking. Take a look at some renderings.

Same view as above, from a little further back. Glad they included some rendering ghost people

Looking north, toward Carpenter St.

The group sees this project as an opportunity to shape an entire block and they’re taking full advantage, from a design perspective. The proposed homes bear little resemblance to the other homes in the neighborhood, but hey, it’s been working for Northern Liberties and Fishtown, so why not try it in Graduate Hospital? The corner building uses brick on the first floor, as a “contextual element in the neighborhood,” and the town homes have mostly limestone at street level. The upper floors of the buildings will be fiber cement paneling and metal cladding, with single and double bay windows that disappear and reappear at different intervals as the eye travels down the row. The town homes will also have a series of stoops to “break up the rhythm” at street level.

See the stoops?

Carpenter Square will have an enviable number of green features, with stormwater management taking a prominent role in the plans. The homes themselves will be LEED certified, and the developers hope to gain LEED certification for the development as a whole, as well. All of the homes will have large green roofs. The plaza will have permeable pavers and will, along with the streetscape in front of the town homes, include stormwater planters, which handle runoff from both the buildings and the street. Most interesting is the bioswale, a constructive vegetative buffer with a drainage bin, that will run the entire eastern property line of the project.

Wonderful

Bioswale example. We expect the one at Carpenter Square will be even fancier.

The town homes will likely be listed in the mid-high $500K range, with the three 1 bedroom condos in the low $200K’s and the three 2 bedroom condos in the high 200K’s. The commercial space will also, ideally, be a condo, and the developers are hoping for a restaurant concept for the space. The lots on the west side of the street are, for the most part, owned by the RDA. The developers hope that when the RDA puts out an RFP for those lots, Carpenter Square will provide them with the pole position on that process, and they’ll eventually be able to redevelop both sides of the street.

And that sounds pretty good to us.

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  • gardenweasel

    Ahhhhh this makes me so happy!  Finally the area gets a worthy development.

  • Gjdeck

    yes, Yes, YES! This will be worth the wait.

  • Gjdeck

    yes, Yes, YES! This will be worth the wait.

  • Michelle

    looks awesome! too bad $500k for the townhomes are completely out of my reach :(

  • Michelle

    looks awesome! too bad $500k for the townhomes are completely out of my reach :(

  • http://twitter.com/McJenna Jenna McBride

    Is that concrete slab in the first picture the “courtyard”? Cozy…

  • Mark

    From above:

    “The plaza will have permeable pavers and will, along with the streetscape in front of the town homes, include stormwater planters, which handle runoff from both the buildings and the street.”

  • Gjdeck

    Looks like a great opportunity for outdoor
    seating for a restaurant tenant

  • dan

    This will be fun to watch, two parkins places per home is quite nice, that alone is worth some serious coin.  Thanks for the update Fox.

  • http://twitter.com/brianbrews Brian Marsh

    Such GORGEOUS looking renderings.  This should be a development that will push the envelope a bit for G-Ho… Is Toll Bros. taking notes?

  • Anonymous

    We’d guess not.

  • Kareafu

    This would be a great add to the neighborhood. I live around the corner from the open lots. The renderings are awesome and a bar/eatery would be incredible also. Would really shape the architecture of the surrounding area.

  • Anonymous

    Missed the zoning meeting but I’ve heard nothing but excitement from everyone I talked with who attended, including someone who is *never* happy with anything presented. I walk by this corner every day, on the broken sidewalk and through the trash. This is a prime example of what SWCC could be with the right developers and a supportive community.

  • EM

    Really exciting news.  Do you know where the two-car parking will go?  I don’t see any garage doors in those renderings…maybe the cars will go behind the building complex?

  • http://planphilly.com/eyesonthestreet/2011/11/18/occupy-marches-tries-to-move-diciccos-parting-gifts-septa-smart-card-contract-mixed-use-south-of-south/ Occupy marches tries to move, DiCicco’s parting gifts, SEPTA smart card contract, mixed-use South of South

    [...] Philly reports that a new mixed-use development at 17th and Carpenter has the South of South Neighborhood Association sw…. Where a large vacant parcel stands now, local developers plan 11 townhouses and a larger mixed-use [...]

  • Philly Tipster

    I agree.  Really wish architects would actually put BUILDINGS on important street corners instead of creating more semi-usable, concrete “public” spaces!

  • Stephen M. Stofka

    ‘Tis on the site plan. There’ll be a private drive down the east(?) flank of the complex and the parking will all be off it.

    As an aside, I hope that the parking will be developed like the parking behind Thin Flats: that way any excessive amount (and with the 2:1 parking ratio you can bet there will be excessive parking) can be repurposed into, say, small rear yards.

  • http://www.philadelphiaspeaks.com/forum/southwest-center-city/26847-carpenter-square-new-development-coming-17th-carpenter.html#post441964 Carpenter Square (new development coming to 17th & Carpenter)

    [...] coming to 17th & Carpenter) So who else saw this presented at SOSNA the other night? Update: SOSNA in Awe of Carpenter Square | NakedPhilly How cool is that design? Reply With Quote + Reply to Thread « [...]

  • http://www.facebook.com/bobbydombroski Bobby Dombroski

    I really enjoy the parking spaces being moved to the rear of the complex. It helps keep an urban feel to the street outside by retaining the parking spaces that normally would be disrupted by a front garage.  

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    [...] week, right after the developers for Carpenter Square presented their plans to a delighted SOSNA, an attorney and architect presented plans from Kater [...]

  • http://twitter.com/F1rstCitizen First Citizen

    This looks awesome.  So nice to see something original in the area.  

  • http://hiddencityphila.org/2012/01/in-roxborough-land-use-ethics-failures-draft/ In Roxborough, Will Land Use Mistakes Follow Ethics Violations? | Hidden City Philadelphia

    [...] it turns out, Goldner is also a principal developer of Carpenter Square in G-Ho, one of the highest-quality green projects in the city. And in a past life, he was an [...]

  • Guest

    This was originally a SOSNA controlled project – Mark Scott, a SOSNA board member at the time, voted to send the properties back to the RDA so he could bid on them personally.  Anyone who supports Mark Scott in this is a fool.
     

  • Dr_gingivitis

    That’s amusing. The RDA has controlled the land since long before I lived here and SOSNA has had no involvement in the project since about a year before i got ingolved with them, but good work trying to liable me.

  • Tony Moretti

    I wrote the post about the project originating as a SOSNA controlled development.  I am re-posting to admit that the post about Mark Scott was a mistake.  I confirm that Mark Scott was not a SOSNA Board Member at the time SOSNA rejected the RDA development contract for the 17th/Carpenter site.  I apologize to Mark Scott and to the forum.  This entire thread should be deleted by the moderator.

  • Tony Moretti

    I wrote the post about the project originating as a SOSNA controlled development.  I am re-posting to admit that the post about Mark Scott was a mistake.  I confirm that Mark Scott was not a SOSNA Board Member at the time SOSNA rejected the RDA development contract for the 17th/Carpenter site.  I apologize to Mark Scott and to the forum.  This entire thread should be deleted by the moderator.

  • CW Mote

    Looks like this project is now set to go before the ZBA on Wednesday, Apr. 25.

  • http://nakedphilly.com/graduate-hospital/quite-the-deal-on-hicks-street/ Quite the Deal on Hicks Street | NakedPhilly

    [...] interested in the huge, vacant northwest corner of 17th & Carpenter, across from the future Carpenter Square development. What do you say, like 200 bucks? You drive a hard bargain. $350. Final offer. Think [...]

  • http://nakedphilly.com/brewerytown/vacant-lot-on-poplar-street-could-be-an-opportunity/ Vacant Lot on Poplar Street Could Be an Opportunity | NakedPhilly

    [...] combination of a small community park or perhaps a pubic courtyard fronting Poplar Street (a la Carpenter Square). Or would a row of single family homes work for people in the neighborhood, like Fairmount [...]

  • http://nakedphilly.com/graduate-hospital/building-at-24th-and-grays-ferry-gets-final-approvals-at-last/ Building at 24th and Grays Ferry Gets Final Approvals At Last | NakedPhilly

    [...] roof decks. There will also be permeable sidewalks surrounding the property, as is planned at the Carpenter Square project a few blocks away. Most interestingly, all the residential units will have solar screens, a [...]

  • personman

    Very exciting! I walk past this on my way home and in addition to a beautiful new development, I just can’t wait for a brand new side walk! Yeesh! I’m glad to hear many neighbors were in favor of this. This will be a great investment to the neighborhood.

  • Phil Rez

    Very few units with balconies. What a shame. Balconies offer an excellent way to connect with the outdoors and residents can green them up with potted plants etc, making this development have even better ‘green cred’. Pls add more balconies! Residents will pay a premium for them!

  • http://nakedphilly.com/graduate-hospital/carpenter-square-is-in-the-ground/ Carpenter Square is in the Ground | NakedPhilly

    [...] a year ago, we first told you about Carpenter Square, an eleven-home development planned for 17th & Carpenter that will also include a mixed-use deve…. When the developers, MR Scott Development and The Goldenberg Group, presented to SOSNA, they [...]

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